Judge For Yourself News

Trump cancels Biden's AI executive order (EO 14110)

Trump creates tariffs of 10% or more on all imports from some major country (top 10 gdp)

DOJ opens "civil rights investigations" into left-wing DA/prosecutors offices

A major war in Asia occurs

Second Muslim ban

Trump pardons at least 5 individuals convicted of crimes related to the January 6 Capitol riot

Trump and Musk will have a falling out which leads to Trump removing Musk from any government role or advisory position

Anther story / scandal about RFK and some dead wild animal comes out

Trump creates tariffs of 60% or more on all imports from some major country (top 10 gdp), and they are in place for at least a month

Polymarket becomes legal in the United States

Doug Burgum is appointed to a cabinet position

Trump uses the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport at least 5 people

Displaying the trans pride flag illegal in any part of USA

$TSLA reaches $400 a share

price of gold reaches historic maximum (last peak 2709 $/t.oz, Oct-2024 last, so it has to be above that)

Trump imposes universal tariffs of 10% or more

plays golf with some head of government/president from Europe

Elon Musk is an employee of the executive branch

Investigations of university admissions that appear to be illegally considering the race of applicants

RFK is confirmed by the Senate for any position

Trump greatly reduces, dismantles, or recommends dismantling of the US Postal service (for example via bringing back Schedule F)

Trump brings back (or attempts to bring back) Schedule F classification for civil service employees

Passports bearing X gender marker no longer issued, or not considered valid across all 50 states

Federal employees are ordered to go to work

Government shutdown

Successfully negotiate a Gaza ceasefire

Trump visits Africa

A cabinet nomination fails, is withdrawn, or has no action taken

Trump declassifies JFK files

Trump makes a public statement about UFOs / UAPs

Amtrak gets reduced, crippled, or privatized

Trump mentions "Top Trump(s)", "trump card(s)", "trumpet(s)", or "trump(ing)" (british slang for farting)

Trump gives himself a nickname in third person

Anthony Fauci is investigated by the federal government

The US leaves the World Health Organization

A Millenium Prize problem falls to a model

John Bolton indicted

A natural-born US citizen (as defined in 2024) is deported

Trump says multiple consecutive words in a foreign language (not loanwords or cognates in or from english)

Trump mentions by name any real historical figure who lived entirely in the first half of recorded history i.e. before ~550 BC

Trump gives the middle finger hand gesture

At least 10 other answers on this market resolve YES

New James Bond actor is presented

Fair elections in 2028

"The New Norm" ends

trump's episode on JRE becomes JRE's most viewed video on his chanel (YT)

Democrats have 218 or more seats in the House of Representatives

Mike Johnson is no longer House Speaker

Elon will Tweet abour $DOGE as head of DoGE

Republican lose a House seat in a special election

United States reaches 7.6 or lower in Democracy index (EIU)

Department of Defense renamed to Department of War

The Supreme Court will uphold or not revisit Obergefell v. Hodges (the constitutional right to same-sex marriage)

At least 20 other answers on this market resolve YES

Approval < 35%

Kennedy Center goes bankrupt

Trump finishes is term on Jan 20 2029 (does not step down or extends his term)

memberberries appear again in any new episode in this period on south park

doomsday clock is moved twice, regardless of direction (so far 25 times, as of Nov-2024)

Mike Johnson is no longer leader of the House Republican Conference

Complete Absence Federal Grants or Legislative packages for Long COVID research

NOAA gets reduced, crippled, or privatized

A new supreme court justice appointed

any hormone replacement therapy drug outlawed for treating gender dysphoria in any state

Senate majority flips in 2026 midterm elections

Cannabis is removed from Schedule 1

US national bitcoin reserve created

A wound will be inflict upon the soul of the American nation that shan't heal

Gavin Newsom announces his candidacy for the 28' presidential election

trump gets hospitalized

The administration recommends removing fluoride from U.S. public water systems

Vances have another kid

A former Democratic presidential nominee besides Jimmy Carter or Joe Biden dies

A person or business is charged for distributing Mifepristone or HRT under the Comstock act

plays golf with some head of government/president from Middle East

USA experiences a recession.

John Thune out as Senate Majority Leader

Trump makes no public appearances for more than 14 consecutive days

3 or more people are killed by law enforcement during a protest

there are less or equal number of member countries of the UN at the end of the term, when compared to the beginning (Nov-2024 - 193)

Bitcoin becomes a US Treasury reserve

Israel officially annexes more Western Bank territory

Trump mentions Manifold Markets, Polymarket, or Kalshi

N/A this please, pressed by mistake

Clarence Thomas is no longer a Supreme Court Justice

p diddy gets released (not an album, only official release from prison is counted)

A state openly refuses to abide by a federal supreme court ruling

Trump bans/taxes seed/vegetable oils or enacts any other negative incentive against them

FEMA gets reduced, crippled, or privatized

Samuel Alito is no longer a supreme court justice

At least 25 other answers on this market resolve YES

New

Deadly force deliberately used against protestors in the US

Trump endorses a candidate other than JD Vance in the Republican presidential primary

A measurable decrease in chronic disease

At least one cabinet officer receives a recess appointment

2% milk > $5 a gallon at my local Walmart

Severance of diplomatic relations initiated by at least one foreign country with the US

The Supreme Court will have a MAGA majority (5 Trump appointed judges) at any point

Invasion of any North/South American country by any other country

Someone in Trumps family (other than trump) runs in the 2028 GOP primaries

plays golf with some head of government/president from Korea (N.Korea included)

Trump admits that someone else is smarter than him

his endorsed option gets higher ## of votes on the election 2028

IRS investigation of Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics

Trump and Obama shake hands

Kennedy Center is repurposed

McDonald's reopens in Russia

Dow rises above 65,000

Congress overrides a presidential veto

Trump says a racial slur

Hakeem Jeffries out as house majority/minority leader

Anthony Fauci is indicted

Trump gets covid (again)

There is a cut in Social Security Disability Benefits

Missiles will be fired across the border at suspected drug labs in Mexico

US Invasion of any North/South American country

Elon Musk will become the 'secretary of cost-cutting' / efficiency commission leader / head of DOGE or similar

Trump bans a specific vaccine nationwide

The US military detonates a MOAB with at least one casualty

Tesla

transgender US passports with a gender other than that assigned at birth revoked

A federal employee goes to prison over free speech violations

2 more Democratic politicians are murdered after June 14th 2025

inflation exceeds 5% for at least two consecutive fiscal quarters

NIH -25% funded in any year vs. 2024 (inflation-adjusted)

10% fewer government agencies

US military deployed domestically against >=1 US citizen (variants of "Seal Team 6 the opposition")

BTC falls below $38,000

Saudi Arabia recognizes Israel

Ukraine controls any portion of Crimea for over a day

New national park created

Trump says anything that is pro animal rights

Trump vetoes more than 10 bills (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/vetoes/vetoCounts.htm)

Kennedy Center is demolished

Trump announces he is tired of winning

A member of the Trump family runs for Congress

Trump attempts to invoke Article 2 Section 3 to adjourn Congress

Trump makes no public appearance for more than 21 consecutive days

Constitutional Amendment

Donald Trump and Donald Tusk shake hands

The Senate invokes the "nuclear option" to bypass cloture after Sept ‘25

AGI achieved (according to Manifold's AGI clock)

Trump publishes a proscription list at least 30 names long

A member of the Trump family is elected to Congress

Russo-Ukrainian War ends

Joe Biden dies

China successfully subjugates Taiwan, whether physically or by a treaty

Another pandemic

Trump suggests that there should be a crusade (including jokes)

The ICC or ICJ issue an arrest warrant for Trump

Steve Bannon goes to prison again

China starts a physical invasion of Taiwan

Sotomayor’s seat is re-filled

<1.5 million civilian federal employees

Elon will tweet about $DOGE while running DoGE

JD Vance elected President

H5N1 Public Health Emergency of International Concern declared

American Manned Lunar Landing

MLK day gets renamed or removed as a federal holiday

Trump proposes renaming or demolishing the Kennedy SPACE Center

The department of education gets desolved

Trump mentions the Effective Altruism movement

Starship lands on Mars

Record level unemployment

Trump mentions the Rationalism movement, LessWrong, or Slate Star Codex / Astral Codex Ten

Recess appointment to SCOTUS

RFK implements his "wellness farm" plan

The google trends (worldwide) metric for "vibes" goes back to 2016 levels

Trump accurately voices a calculation that involves 2+ numbers with 2+ non-zero digits

Trump attempts to restore >10% of USAID's pre-DOGE funding

The US military executes an aggressive operation on Cuban soil

Trump dies

The Supreme Court will grant certiorari to hear at least one case challenging Griswold v. Connecticut (contraception rights)

Laura Loomer gets any government role

RFK is in charge of the FDA at any point

One or more of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Liz Cheney, or Barack Obama is indicted by the federal government

Iran acquires a nuclear weapon

Approval < 25%

Someone other than Trump is active president before Trump's term is over

Trump loses the fake tan

Trump publicly speaks with Alex Jones (e.g., on a show or hosted by him or as an advisor)

military deployed to enforce the border in Chicago or Detroit

Trump suggests lowering or abolishing the age of consent (including jokes)

NATO invokes Article 5

US Treasury 10-year bond rate > 7%

Trump gets shot

Vance resigns or is forced to leave office (threats, impeachment, coups)

south park is canceled/discontinued

Trump deports 1 million immigrants in a calendar year

"covfefe" posted again

A bill introducing single-payer healthcare system is passed by congress

Trump is seen shirtless

Trump resigns or is forced to leave office (threats, impeachment, coups)

Trump runs for a third term

Trump uses the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport at least 5 million people

Birth rate increases past 12 per 1000

Josh Shapiro wins the presidential nomination

Trump bans Lab-grown meat nationwide

Trump extends his term past 4 years

54 or more Republican senate seats

Independent Republican Caucus forms in house or senate and enters coalition with Democrats

Trump is assassinated

Cannabis is federally legalized

Trump declares war against any other nation or defacto autonomous territory

Trump threatens Israel with military action

55 or more Republican senate seats

John Roberts is no longer Chief Justice of the United States

Elon Musk assassinated or injured in an attempt

Trump loses the comb-over hairstyle

A national ban on gender-affirming care

A sex tape comes out that shows Trump thrusting energetically

Trump gives the middle finger hand gesture with both hands at once

Trump lowers or eliminates income taxes across all tax brackets

2% milk < $2 a gallon at my local Walmart

Trump will imitate Elon Musk's heartfelt salute

The cause of the drones present in December 2024 in New Jersey is known

Trump raps (says multiple lines that rhyme and fit a background music beat)

TSM stock price plunges to 60 USD

Ukraine starts a nuclear weapons program

Trump fulfills promise of giving green cards to noncitizen university graduates.

another troupe (at least 3) of monkeys escapes from Yamassee, SC (after 8-NOV-2024)

Repeal obamacare

Trump gets poisoned ends up in hospital

30 year treasury rate >15.00%

Trump mentions Leopold Aschenbrenner or his essay "Situational Awareness" in any way

Anthony Fauci goes to prison

War is declared against another nation

An amendment imposing term limits on members of congress is passed.

Trump goes to eat steak or something similar at Salt Bae's

Constitutional Amendment

Donald Trump say the n-word with or without hard r

Trump supports mask or glove mandate anywhere in the US

Trump discloses intelligent Aliens are real and on Earth. (Also counts if they were on earth but left or died out)

Barron Trump mentions barons, barrenness, bars, or bears

Trump and Melania divorce

SpaceX is nationalized

Major Yellowstone caldera scare

The construction of the Third Temple begins in Jerusalem

Ann Selzer arrested

Trump wholeheartedly apologises for something political he did without caveats or backtracking

Trump accurately quotes a Bible verse with its Book Chapter:Verse citation, verbally and without reading from a script/notes/autocue, excluding Genesis 1:1

Trump bans abortion nationwide

Trump builds a complete wall across the Mexico-US border

wants to compete for 3rd term, but due to catastrophic debate, he remains president, while the v.p. becomes the official candidate

Matt Gaetz is confirmed for any role in the executive branch of the US government

Trump drinks a beer

Trump bans all vaccines nationwide

Trump enacts jus primae noctis

Anthony Fauci is convicted

A hurricane will be nuked

New US national anthem

Trump forces Ivanka to divorce Jared and marry either Vance or Musk

Trump says "Vriska did nothing wrong"

Jimmy Carter dies

Trump publicly approves of Project 2025, before 2026

M. "We'll make the AI do our AI alignment homework" just works as a plan. (Eg the helping AI doesn't need to be smart enough to be deadly; the alignment proposals that most impress human judges are honest and truthful and successful.)

J. Something 'just works' on the order of eg: train a predictive/imitative/generative AI on a human-generated dataset, and RLHF her to be unfailingly nice, generous to weaker entities, and determined to make the cosmos a lovely place.

Something wonderful happens that isn't well-described by any option listed. (The semantics of this option may change if other options are added.)

C. Solving prosaic alignment on the first critical try is not as difficult, nor as dangerous, nor taking as much extra time, as Yudkowsky predicts; whatever effort is put forth by the leading coalition works inside of their lead time.

O. Early applications of AI/AGI drastically increase human civilization's sanity and coordination ability; enabling humanity to solve alignment, or slow down further descent into AGI, etc. (Not in principle mutex with all other answers.)

K. Somebody discovers a new AI paradigm that's powerful enough and matures fast enough to beat deep learning to the punch, and the new paradigm is much much more alignable than giant inscrutable matrices of floating-point numbers.

B. Humanity puts forth a tremendous effort, and delays AI for long enough, and puts enough desperate work into alignment, that alignment gets solved first.

H. Many competing AGIs form an equilibrium whereby no faction is allowed to get too powerful, and humanity is part of this equilibrium and survives and gets a big chunk of cosmic pie.

G. It's impossible/improbable for something sufficiently smarter and more capable than modern humanity to be created, that it can just do whatever without needing humans to cooperate; nor does it successfully cheat/trick us.

I. The tech path to AGI superintelligence is naturally slow enough and gradual enough, that world-destroyingly-critical alignment problems never appear faster than previous discoveries generalize to allow safe further experimentation.

E. Whatever strange motivations end up inside an unalignable AGI, or the internal slice through that AGI which codes its successor, they max out at a universe full of cheerful qualia-bearing life and an okay outcome for existing humans.

F. Somebody pulls off a hat trick involving blah blah acausal blah blah simulations blah blah, or other amazingly clever idea, which leads an AGI to put the reachable galaxies to good use despite that AGI not being otherwise alignable.

D. Early powerful AGIs realize that they wouldn't be able to align their own future selves/successors if their intelligence got raised further, and work honestly with humans on solving the problem in a way acceptable to both factions.

A. Humanity successfully coordinates worldwide to prevent the creation of powerful AGIs for long enough to develop human intelligence augmentation, uploading, or some other pathway into transcending humanity's window of fragility.

L. Earth's present civilization crashes before powerful AGI, and the next civilization that rises is wiser and better at ops. (Exception to 'okay' as defined originally, will be said to count as 'okay' even if many current humans die.)

N. A crash project at augmenting human intelligence via neurotech, training mentats via neurofeedback, etc, produces people who can solve alignment before it's too late, despite Earth civ not slowing AI down much.

If you write an argument that breaks down the 'okay outcomes' into lots of distinct categories, without breaking down internal conjuncts and so on, Reality is very impressed with how disjunctive this sounds and allocates more probability.

Ron Weasley is a redhead

Snape is black

Harry Potter is white

At least one named character from the book has their race changed

An actor who acted in the movies returns for the show

Harry, Ron, and Hermione’s actors will all be British

Harry Potter doesn't cast a single spoken, working spell in the first episode

Dumbledore casts a spell (spoken or wordlessly)

Fred and George are twins irl

Hagrid is played by an actor who is under 6'4"

McGonagall performs an animagus transformation (human2cat or cat2human)

Hermione’s parent(s) shown on screen

A History of Magic lesson is shown on screen

A character cut from the movies appears (ie Theodore Nott)

Premieres in 2026

The potion riddle guarding the Stone will be featured

Quirrel is wearing a head covering when Harry first meets him

Cornelius Fudge is shown on screen

Ron Weasley doesn't cast a single, spoken, working spell in the first two episodes

Malfoy has white blonde hair

Arthur Weasley is shown on screen

There’s a scene set before Harry is born

Peeves is a reoccurring character

JK Rowling is credited as both an executive producer and original writer

Hagrid says "You’re a wizard, Harry"

Harry first sees Hogwarts castle in episode 2

It's woke

A scene depicts Voldemort trying to kill baby Harry

mandrake root on screen

Arabella Figg is mentioned by first or last name

80% or higher on rotten tomatoes

It will be torrentfreak.com's "Most Pirated" TV show for its year of release or the following year

An Astronomy lesson is shown on screen

Luna Lovegood, Cho Chang, or Cedric Diggory are mentioned by first or last name, or are in the credits

A house elf is shown on screen

At least one named character from the book has their gender swapped

Hagrid ties Vernon’s gun into a knot

The Quibbler is shown or mentioned

Homosexual interaction between some characters will be presented

Goblins are still represented as anti-semitic caricatures

Premieres on strongly symbolic date (like July 31, 21.12)

The Flying Ford Anglia is seen.

Harry is shown holding more than three different wands at Ollivander’s

The Weasley's Ford Anglia is seen flying

Harry first sees Hogwarts castle in episode 3

Harry visits Platform 9 3/4 in episode 1

An actor who appeared in any of the Jackass films receives a credit on IMDB related to the show

VOLDEMORT HAS A NOSE

Hagrid presents a cake with writing on it to Harry and the writing has no misspellings

Harry visits Diagon Alley in episode 1

"Voldemort" has a silent "t"

Dobby makes an appearance

90% or higher on rotten tomatoes

The intro theme song will have at least one obvious English word

At least one of the actors is transgender

It ends on a cliff hanger

Harry only reaches Hogwarts in the last 10 minutes of the first episode

Harry Potter doesn't cast a single, spoken, working spell in the first three episode

Any Harry Potter fanfic is referenced (either explicitly as judged by market creator, or confirmed by someone who works on the show)

Hermione is white

Hermione is Indian

Features an explicitly transgender character

We see a wizarding school other than Hogwarts

JK Rowling makes a cameo appearance

Quirrel shakes Harry’s hand during their first meeting

Premieres in 2027

actor in the show wins an Emmy for acting

Awkwafina is cast in the show

Hermione is black

Smartphone shown within Hogwarts

There will be seven CGI dwarves

Rita Skeeter will have an explicit trans identity

Hagrid is played by an actor with a cognitive disability

Keir Starmer is in it

set in 2025

set in the 2020s

Adolf Hitler is mentioned

Yudkowsky makes an appearance

Harry, Ron, and Hermione will all be transgender

We get AGI before it premieres

Voldemort is a woman

Hagrid is black

Fred and George have the same actor

HPMOR is referenced

Gandalf is black

One or more of Hermione, Ron, and Harry have their genders swapped.

Any American receives it by end 2025

Any American receives it by end 2026

Limit set at or below 99th percentile wealth or income

≥$200

A physical check (at least optionally)

Multiple disparate "tariff dividends" (different sources or destinations)

Limit set at or below 90th percentile wealth or income

Only given out to military

All for same amount

≥$2000

Blocked by a federal judge

Limit set at or below 70th percentile wealth or income

Significant number sent to non-citizens and/or non-existent people

$ value explicitly tied to performance of tariffs

Passed by Congress

Some checks bounce

~50% or more of Americans receive it by end 2026

Soccer player

Chaplain

Federal employees

AI Safety Researchers

Kindergarten Teachers

Dancer

AI Resistance Leader

Judges

Nurse

Politicians

Gynecologist

The job of judging which propositions are true (analytic philosopher).

Firefighter

Novelist

Surgeon (autonomous)

Police officer

Project Manager

Teachers

Barbers

Lawyers

Dentists

Therapists

Chefs

Game developer

social media content creators

Fluffer

Construction workers

Computer programmers

Soldier

Personal trainers

Fast Food Cook

Doctors

Prompt engineers

Fast Food Cashier

Bus drivers

Robot designers / engineers

Photographer

Other US citizen

Political underling

Member of the press

Political commentator who isn't a formal member of the press

State governor

Member of congress

Political rival

State supreme court judge

Former US president

Yordan Alvarez

Other

Aaron Judge

Bobby Witt Jr.

YES

M. "We'll make the AI do our AI alignment homework" just works as a plan. (Eg the helping AI doesn't need to be smart enough to be deadly; the alignment proposals that most impress human judges are honest and truthful and successful.)

J. Something 'just works' on the order of eg: train a predictive/imitative/generative AI on a human-generated dataset, and RLHF her to be unfailingly nice, generous to weaker entities, and determined to make the cosmos a lovely place.

Something wonderful happens that isn't well-described by any option listed. (The semantics of this option may change if other options are added.)

C. Solving prosaic alignment on the first critical try is not as difficult, nor as dangerous, nor taking as much extra time, as Yudkowsky predicts; whatever effort is put forth by the leading coalition works inside of their lead time.

K. Somebody discovers a new AI paradigm that's powerful enough and matures fast enough to beat deep learning to the punch, and the new paradigm is much much more alignable than giant inscrutable matrices of floating-point numbers.

O. Early applications of AI/AGI drastically increase human civilization's sanity and coordination ability; enabling humanity to solve alignment, or slow down further descent into AGI, etc. (Not in principle mutex with all other answers.)

B. Humanity puts forth a tremendous effort, and delays AI for long enough, and puts enough desperate work into alignment, that alignment gets solved first.

H. Many competing AGIs form an equilibrium whereby no faction is allowed to get too powerful, and humanity is part of this equilibrium and survives and gets a big chunk of cosmic pie.

I. The tech path to AGI superintelligence is naturally slow enough and gradual enough, that world-destroyingly-critical alignment problems never appear faster than previous discoveries generalize to allow safe further experimentation.

D. Early powerful AGIs realize that they wouldn't be able to align their own future selves/successors if their intelligence got raised further, and work honestly with humans on solving the problem in a way acceptable to both factions.

F. Somebody pulls off a hat trick involving blah blah acausal blah blah simulations blah blah, or other amazingly clever idea, which leads an AGI to put the reachable galaxies to good use despite that AGI not being otherwise alignable.

A. Humanity successfully coordinates worldwide to prevent the creation of powerful AGIs for long enough to develop human intelligence augmentation, uploading, or some other pathway into transcending humanity's window of fragility.

E. Whatever strange motivations end up inside an unalignable AGI, or the internal slice through that AGI which codes its successor, they max out at a universe full of cheerful qualia-bearing life and an okay outcome for existing humans.

G. It's impossible/improbable for something sufficiently smarter and more capable than modern humanity to be created, that it can just do whatever without needing humans to cooperate; nor does it successfully cheat/trick us.

L. Earth's present civilization crashes before powerful AGI, and the next civilization that rises is wiser and better at ops. (Exception to 'okay' as defined originally, will be said to count as 'okay' even if many current humans die.)

N. A crash project at augmenting human intelligence via neurotech, training mentats via neurofeedback, etc, produces people who can solve alignment before it's too late, despite Earth civ not slowing AI down much.

You are fooled by at least one option on this list, which out of many tries, ends up sufficiently well-aimed at your personal ideals / prejudices / the parts you understand less well / your own personal indulgences in wishful thinking.

Trump

Other

Judge Engelmayer

uploaded onto youtube

uses royalty-free music

has hard coded subtitles on at least 1 frame

sex scene

Fails the bechdel test

It contains the exact line, "All this time, we've been thinking rationally, when we should have been thinking rationalussy."

runtime of at least 10 minutes

Wario appears in the movie at least once

features AI-generated video

Rana (or a character clearly inspired by Rana) appears in a role with dialogue

there's multiple actors

Rana voices a character

it exists

The current summary from the Rationalussy Wiki is "shockingly accurate", as judged by @PlasmaBallin

it's debuted during Summer Camp or Manifest (2024)

Exists before start of 2035

Exists before start of 2030

Is a transformer according to current definition in this market https://manifold.markets/Robincvgr/will-the-first-agi-be-a-transformer

Any AI company deploys 1,000 self-sufficient AIs (using their own models) at most 6 months after self-sufficiency is achieved

Is judged to have caused a minor cybersecurity incident at least as bad as the wiki messageboard before start of 2029

Exists before start of 2028

conway.tech or web4.ai buys from/sells to/hosts at least some actually-self-sufficient AI

Is judged to have caused a major cybersecurity incident at least as bad as the huggingface hack before start of 2029

Makes money mostly legally for the first 2 months (even accounting for illegal agents probably being hidden)

Initially, Claude powers more agents than GPT or Gemini do

A frontier AI company has already broken even BEFORE self-sufficiency is achieved

Sends $1,000 to a useless human middleman at most 6 months after self-sufficiency is achieved